tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1025801700827713515.post8290175799389649257..comments2014-09-01T21:54:14.998-04:00Comments on Lifting the Spirit: Experience of a UU Christian: Why We SufferLaVerne Coanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09689659861818243420noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1025801700827713515.post-64709155785936937282010-10-09T10:48:45.199-04:002010-10-09T10:48:45.199-04:00I have to say, my understanding of suffering has c...I have to say, my understanding of suffering has changed over the years as my "image of God" has grown and developed. So I expect it will continue to change in the future as, hopefully, I continue to grow in my faith. But for now, I do not believe suffering is punishment for our sins..., and as history as proven to define what I believe it is, is beyond my ability but for conversation I will share a very watered down explanation of my understanding.<br />The best way to sum up my position is that " sin is a necessary evil". Since my belief is based in a very active and evolving God I see suffering as an undesirable affect of the chaos that is needed to push creation forward. "Just as the mustard seed must die for the tree to grow" unfortunately this means that through the cycle of our lives, there are times when we fall at the time of the death and suffer for the greater good of what has the potential of growing out of the misery. For me this is reflected in the passion of Christ and is an ever repeated pattern throughout history. As far as the human role, I belief in our imperfects as the promise of continued growth and evolution. If we or creation was prefect they would be no need for life, the cycle that perpels us forward in growth and understanding. In many situations, suffer calls us to reach out in words or deeds. It has the potential to pull us together as one community under God. Suffering has no respect for our human divisions, boundaries or laws. it crosses all ethic and social groups. It has the power to unit us when we can give up our misguided believes that "the lack of suffering is a sign of closeness or special blessings from our creator and recognize it for what it is..., an indication that God is actively working, calling us forth for the continuation of creation. Unfortunately, in my reality it is those closer to God that have a tendency to bare the burden of most of the suffering. As gloomy as this may sound, this comes out of a strong belief that God is loving, caring and supportive. Threrfore, he suffers right along with us but at an even deepere level because he is not only experiencing the pain of my personnal suffering, but simultaneously, he is baring the pain of all the suffering everywhere in this world. So, for myself, I find it almost embarrassing pleading for him or cruising him for my unpleasantries noing that his own suffering is overwhelmingly greater.lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08270385268598711913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1025801700827713515.post-84102807219785364262010-10-09T00:15:22.801-04:002010-10-09T00:15:22.801-04:00I believe that it is to the extent that many of ou...I believe that it is to the extent that many of our shortcomings(or "sins", however one may choose to define that word) lead to natural consequences that cause suffering(i.e., you speed, you naturally eventually get a speeding ticket). I believe in the possibility of karma, but I'm a bit agnostic on that point. I do not, however, believe it's some big mean deity in the sky punishing us for, basically, existing.<br /><br />Enjoying the blog!Chadlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05561495615950922682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1025801700827713515.post-43947546222505332252010-10-08T16:03:49.653-04:002010-10-08T16:03:49.653-04:00Emphatically false, at least as traditionally unde...Emphatically false, at least as traditionally understood. I know that there are fundamentalists who literally believe that mortality was the result of the Fall, which they believe was a literal event 6,000 years ago. <br /><br />I'm also a respectful skeptic on the notion of "karma," much as I might delight (to my shame) in the troubles of those I consider my enemies and attribute those troubles to karma. <br /><br />I do think that to some degree, some suffering grows out of our human failings. But I don't think that explains why the world is that way overall.<br /><br />I look forward to more posts in this series!DairyStateDadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100373589936758473noreply@blogger.com